As of right now, the guild I currently raid with uses a system commonly known to PUGs, which is “Roll on loot, one epic per week per customer.”
For many reasons, I think this is an insufficient way of doling out hard-earned loot. I offered a new system based on wishlists – people submit wishlists of loot based on what is highest priority for them, and loot is given out accordingly.
In the past, I have seen people who have raided with us have gotten completely screwed out of loot because of the “roll on loot” system. At least two of my friends from the guild stopped raiding altogether because they lost out on a weapon off Kelthuzad to someone who raided with us for two weeks and had better dice. I think that this type of loot system is no way to do things.
Some things that were said, and my responses -
“Making loot lists is like having a second job.”
1. Making a loot list is not like “having a second job”. The loot list I made above for my priest took me, at most, a half hour. It requires perusing a couple blogs/forums online, and knowing some sort of basic knowledge of what your class needs and what is available. Essentially, all it asks is to know your class, NOT have a second job which you will work for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Can’t really compare the two in my opinion.
“Things were fine the way they were.”
2. Show me any other raiding guild on this server that has been basing their loot on a “roll, one item per week system”. And tell me that the members of those guilds didn’t gquit in two seconds. A lot of guilds use the loot list system as their prefered methodology for distributing loot. Rolling on gear means, literally, people just take what they can get because they want to “get theirs” for the week. Doesn’t matter if someone else needs it more. Doesn’t matter if its really not that big of an upgrade. Doesn’t matter if they did no research whatsoever into figuring out what they need. They just want to get theirs. If you need another example, try pugging 25man with people. They use the same system. And, I personally, think a GUILD should not use the same looting system as a PUG.
“How are we to know that this is being done honestly too, the only people who know the list are the loot master and the person whos list it is, at least with rolling its out there in the open for all to see.”
3. The fact that people would even incline that the new loot system is some sort of way to manipulate loot is, suffice to say, pretty typical but also somewhat hurtful. What I do, in general, I do for the best of the guild. I really like this guild, and want to see it succeed. That said, if people think that a new loot system which doesn’t rely purely on luck and which actually requires some knowledge of your class is a bad thing, and that we should continue rolling on gear, and that’s the final decision in the end, then that’s fine. I want for the core of Azeroth Crusaders to stay intact. I, however, may not be part of that core.
“What’s this thing about attendence? I play soccer during the week and I’m not giving that up. I think the attendence thing is bull$%^%.”
4. The attendence issue is far less extreme than any other raiding guild. No one is saying everyone MUST go to every raid. What they are saying is people like Yansa and Haykon and Starfira and Kokoballs and others who make every raid and contribute every week will get PREFERENCE if an item is wanted by multiple people, based on the fact that they’re there every raid.. How is that unfair in any way?
“No one ever voted on this. We need to have an officer’s meeting to decide. IMO.”
5. Does anyone rememeber Delvina? I do. He/She raided with is for two weeks, killed KT, and won Betrayer of Humanity over Qooju. Remember Qooju? I guess he kind of got disheartened with the game, after farming Naxx for weeks and never getting a better weapon that Death’s Bite. I don’t find that to be very fair, and yet it’s just one such example of the “Roll on loot” system screwing someone who comes to raids all the time. Think about how many people used to raid with us and don’t anymore. For some of them, losing loot based PURELY on luck was disheartening enough for them to stop raiding. And Qooju is just one such example, there’s many more.
Yeah, officer’s meeting always get LOTS done.
We have a case of too many chiefs, not enough indians. People get promoted to officer positions after very little time in the guild. There are officers who do not raid that are ballsy enough to complain about the looting system. The people who want to keep this “Roll for loot” system also tend to be the best geared in the guild.
Sorry for the ultra-serious post. I just don’t think rolling for loot is any way to distribute hard-won raid booty. =/ (Pun intended.)
-Yellow
